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Nancy Doyne's avatar

I loved this! Beautifully written. This offers so much contemplation. Thank you.

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Neil Zhu's avatar

thank you!!!

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Jeanne Christine Tegler's avatar

Excellent comparison and why I am drawn to China probably

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jenn writing things 💌🌲's avatar

I, who have been raised in the west, have never heard the story of Dayu. Thank you so much for sharing ❤️

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Neil Zhu's avatar

thank you for reading :)

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Sean Griobhtha's avatar

Really enjoyed this & restacked❣️

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Neil Zhu's avatar

thank you

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Celia Trout's avatar

An eye-opening read for me, I have so little education and understanding of other cultures and social structures. Thank you so much. I think this is partly why I left Christianity and the church. Christian salvation depends upon repentance, submission, and leading a life of great sacrifice in order to achieve a promised eternal life. So many promises, so little return, and meanwhile so much judgment and control from church leadership. No thank you.

The only collective action that has ever worked in the United States is workers' unions, and unions have historically been under constant attack.

United States culture and capitalism is not a fertile ground for collective action, or teamwork, or community. We are taught rugged individualism from the moment we're born. That philosophy separates us and keeps us subservient.

The social and political systems in the United States are dying, yet something new is trying to be born. I'm curious, what do you think that new thing will be?

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Neil Zhu's avatar

For your first part , I have been thinking about it all this morning, got something to say in the future .. for the second part, I always thought capitalism supported to work towards some form of socialism, like Europe, the US swinged other way into extreme capitalism or end stage capitalism, which might need radical change in the future.

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Blanca's avatar

Excellent critique. I was not familiar with Chinese history and culture so am catching up, I will read up on Dayu. Thank you.

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Neil Zhu's avatar

thank you!!! part of the 5000 years history of China

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paul vandeplas's avatar

Brilliant, never heard of Dayu and was educated with Noah. The West has to be reeducated and introduced to that story of Dayu. The last 30 years in China is the proof of that story.

Thank you for educating me and I am very happy with my paid subscription.

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Chris Vail's avatar

During the last Ice Age an ice sheet covered a lot of North America. Of course, now that ice is gone, and sea level is 400 feet higher than during the Ice Age. That means that 10,000 years ago there were global floods. Even a 100 foot rise in sea level is catastrophic for human civilization. So, that is the source for the Flood stories.

The Noah story was written during the Iron Age, when Mediterranean humans were unable to make bronze and life was harder (China never had that problem). That may explain the individualism of the story.

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Neil Zhu's avatar

Anyway, I just thought stories like this teaches children social values

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Neil Zhu's avatar

The weather changes sea level up same as some Chinese articles mentioned , but Between 4000 to 5000 years ago, it was still considered late Stone Age , mostly tribalism in China , on that land.

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Chris Vail's avatar

During the Bronze Age only the elites had bronze tools. Ordinary people continued to make and use stone tools. 3,000 years ago the Bronze Age ended in the Mediterranean, but China was making bronze tools at that time, so China did not experience the catastrophes that changed the Mediterranean area. One new Iron Age technology was fungible currency, which speeded up the economy and made larger empires possible. China was indirectly impacted via the Silk Road; Chinese manufactured goods (silks and ceramics) were exchanged for currency.

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